Comments on: We trust you with the children but not the Internet http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html Technology, leadership, and the future of schools Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:42:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Harold Jarche » Friday’s Finds #18 http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-47935 Harold Jarche » Friday’s Finds #18 Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:15:02 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-47935 [...] @1ernesto1 “Dear teachers, we trust you with the children but not the Internet. Yours truly, THE [...] [...] @1ernesto1 “Dear teachers, we trust you with the children but not the Internet. Yours truly, THE [...]

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]]> By: Scott http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-9910 Scott Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-9910 A few thoughts... A. Administrators across the country create work climates of distrust that disparage and demean their adult employees and I get criticized for calling them on it? Huh? B. @Lacusa: 1. I'm guessing that the vast majority of teachers are using the Web appropriately. If not, you've got much bigger culture/climate problems on your hands than this one. As Deming said, most problems with individual employees are attributable to the system in which they operate. 2. People generally treat others and/or their employers as they're treated. 3. Has a conversation been initiated around this? If so, WHY has it failed? Because your employees are bad people? Or other reasons? 4. I believe that a great number of corporate employers find that treating their employees with some respect by not fussing too much about an occasional personal call, e-mail, web site visit, etc. pays off in terms of employee morale. I believe they also find that productivity isn't really impaired that much. The employee surfing the Web when he is supposed to be doing something else is the exception, not the rule. If is indeed the rule where you are, see my #1 again. A few thoughts…

A. Administrators across the country create work climates of distrust that disparage and demean their adult employees and I get criticized for calling them on it? Huh?

B. @Lacusa: 1. I’m guessing that the vast majority of teachers are using the Web appropriately. If not, you’ve got much bigger culture/climate problems on your hands than this one. As Deming said, most problems with individual employees are attributable to the system in which they operate. 2. People generally treat others and/or their employers as they’re treated. 3. Has a conversation been initiated around this? If so, WHY has it failed? Because your employees are bad people? Or other reasons? 4. I believe that a great number of corporate employers find that treating their employees with some respect by not fussing too much about an occasional personal call, e-mail, web site visit, etc. pays off in terms of employee morale. I believe they also find that productivity isn’t really impaired that much. The employee surfing the Web when he is supposed to be doing something else is the exception, not the rule. If is indeed the rule where you are, see my #1 again.

]]> By: Lacusa http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-9911 Lacusa Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-9911 @Scott: Yeh I do understand your points, and in schools where staff personal usage is low (which tbh is fine) I can see more merrits from unrestricting some sites. I do though think that anything hacking/porn should be banned to protect staff from the odd bad click with a projector and getting nasty images onscreen in class (and all it takes is a dead link/misclick) with the obvious allowance for unblocking if miscategorised. As for dealing with abuse it is possible to deal with the odd staff member but if its rife you cant deal with all the staff and thats when filtering should be used. TBH in our examination of logs the majority of staff have no problem with blocked sites. I have checked the sites that were blocked often and they have all been blocked for valid reasons. Obviously youtube is a mixed bag but do you really see being on facebook in class as a benefit to the pupils and an essential tool? Also fyi there have been a lot of debates on <a href="http://www.edugeek.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edugeek.net/</a> about this more from a techs perspective though if you interested in reading/making a post. @Scott: Yeh I do understand your points, and in schools where staff personal usage is low (which tbh is fine) I can see more merrits from unrestricting some sites. I do though think that anything hacking/porn should be banned to protect staff from the odd bad click with a projector and getting nasty images onscreen in class (and all it takes is a dead link/misclick) with the obvious allowance for unblocking if miscategorised.
As for dealing with abuse it is possible to deal with the odd staff member but if its rife you cant deal with all the staff and thats when filtering should be used. TBH in our examination of logs the majority of staff have no problem with blocked sites. I have checked the sites that were blocked often and they have all been blocked for valid reasons. Obviously youtube is a mixed bag but do you really see being on facebook in class as a benefit to the pupils and an essential tool?
Also fyi there have been a lot of debates on http://www.edugeek.net/ about this more from a techs perspective though if you interested in reading/making a post.

]]> By: DJ http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-9912 DJ Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-9912 Our director of technology e-mailed me with a copy of my post and the comment that he actually received "pretty good grades" in his social studies classes. I believe him. It would appear that the decision to filter YouTube came from another administrator. Our director of technology e-mailed me with a copy of my post and the comment that he actually received “pretty good grades” in his social studies classes. I believe him.

It would appear that the decision to filter YouTube came from another administrator.

]]> By: Tina http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-9913 Tina Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-9913 Administrators across the country create work climates of distrust that disparage and demean their adult employees and I get criticized for calling them on it? Huh? Is it just me or does this seem to make a blanket statement? If blocking sites from adult employees consitutes disparegement of employees you are going to have to open the blanket to include a large part of the business world. I find that blocking sites frustrates staff (with a capital F) but to disparage and demean usually involves an administrator that uses lots of other resources besides the internet. Blocked sites in an Art Department include many artist that have nude work. Wow think about that, I guess Degas is not worthy. Degenerate art was blocked also by Hitler. Food for thought. Communication with solid curriculum references will convince most true educational leaders. Administrators across the country create work climates of distrust that disparage and demean their adult employees and I get criticized for calling them on it? Huh?
Is it just me or does this seem to make a blanket statement? If blocking sites from adult employees consitutes disparegement of employees you are going to have to open the blanket to include a large part of the business world.
I find that blocking sites frustrates staff (with a capital F) but to disparage and demean usually involves an administrator that uses lots of other resources besides the internet.
Blocked sites in an Art Department include many artist that have nude work. Wow think about that, I guess Degas is not worthy. Degenerate art was blocked also by Hitler. Food for thought.
Communication with solid curriculum references will convince most true educational leaders.

]]> By: Marshall http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html/comment-page-1#comment-9914 Marshall Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2009/09/we-trust-you-with-the-children-but-not-the-internet.html#comment-9914 Although there is a lot of good conversation here, there are also a lot of overly broad incorporations. I would compare the concept of blocking all adults to the statements indicating administrators are to blame. There are so many factors that must be considered when considering the concept of filtering some of it is actually the ability to appropriately set the filters, which tend to block on an “all or nothing” basis. When forced to make that decision, it doesn’t seem so easy. Also, I disagree that this is an issue of trust. Popups, spam, viruses, etc. clearly indicate that most of us don’t truly want to be 100% unfiltered. We do, however, want to be able to use the sites that we find valuable. Filtering and blocking when done appropriately (conversations and honesty) aren’t disparaging but appropriate. By the way, is it appropriate to allow teachers to surf for non-educational items on school time? Such things like video games, on-line banking, facebooking, etc. for personal use are probably not what was intended when the contract was offered. I think this is similar to other employment opportunities as well, not just education, and education is not the only place that content is determined for adults. It is, however, a more sensitive concept as we are using taxpayer money to do so. On another note, I want to thank Scott and Dangerously Irrelevant for the number of posts and freshness of those posts. DI moves quickly, and that allows us to see a lot of information on a lot of topics. In an attempt to go a little deeper into a few topics, however, stopping by <a href: ="http//www.beatingthedeadhorse.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Beating the Dead Horse</a> may be an option. The first post of this new site (yes mine) discusses this topic. Although there is a lot of good conversation here, there are also a lot of overly broad incorporations. I would compare the concept of blocking all adults to the statements indicating administrators are to blame. There are so many factors that must be considered when considering the concept of filtering some of it is actually the ability to appropriately set the filters, which tend to block on an “all or nothing” basis. When forced to make that decision, it doesn’t seem so easy. Also, I disagree that this is an issue of trust. Popups, spam, viruses, etc. clearly indicate that most of us don’t truly want to be 100% unfiltered. We do, however, want to be able to use the sites that we find valuable. Filtering and blocking when done appropriately (conversations and honesty) aren’t disparaging but appropriate. By the way, is it appropriate to allow teachers to surf for non-educational items on school time? Such things like video games, on-line banking, facebooking, etc. for personal use are probably not what was intended when the contract was offered. I think this is similar to other employment opportunities as well, not just education, and education is not the only place that content is determined for adults. It is, however, a more sensitive concept as we are using taxpayer money to do so.

On another note, I want to thank Scott and Dangerously Irrelevant for the number of posts and freshness of those posts. DI moves quickly, and that allows us to see a lot of information on a lot of topics. In an attempt to go a little deeper into a few topics, however, stopping by Beating the Dead Horse may be an option. The first post of this new site (yes mine) discusses this topic.

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