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		<title>By: Thoughts on Assessment 3: Writing the obit on summative assessment &#124; Constructing Meaning</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/05/its-not-the-tests-its-us.html/comment-page-1#comment-20568</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on Assessment 3: Writing the obit on summative assessment &#124; Constructing Meaning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 05:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;It&#8217;s not &#8216;the tests.&#8217; It&#8217;s us.&#8221; by Scott McLeod (Twitter) at Dangerously Irrelevant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;It&#8217;s not &#8216;the tests.&#8217; It&#8217;s us.&#8221; by Scott McLeod (Twitter) at Dangerously Irrelevant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Wagner</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/05/its-not-the-tests-its-us.html/comment-page-1#comment-10614</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you, Scott.

I think that NCLB, tests, presidential administration (past and present) have become easy scapegoats instead of looking at the real issue.....

For me, the real issue is What Kind of Teacher am I?  Not what kind of teacher does my admin expect, my politicians support, my peers applaud -- but what kind of teacher am I -- to and for my students.

Though testing has become a hurdle and a hindrance.....though funding has become scarce...though administration is not always proactive at praising their teachers....though, though though.....

the bottom line is....that is my decision each day what kind of teacher I am going to be.  If I fail, I have no one to blame but myself.....if I succeed, then I remember tomorrow is another day -- with another decision to make on what kind of day it will be in my classroom.

Just my thoughts on your post.
Jen
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you, Scott.</p>
<p>I think that NCLB, tests, presidential administration (past and present) have become easy scapegoats instead of looking at the real issue&#8230;..</p>
<p>For me, the real issue is What Kind of Teacher am I?  Not what kind of teacher does my admin expect, my politicians support, my peers applaud &#8212; but what kind of teacher am I &#8212; to and for my students.</p>
<p>Though testing has become a hurdle and a hindrance&#8230;..though funding has become scarce&#8230;though administration is not always proactive at praising their teachers&#8230;.though, though though&#8230;..</p>
<p>the bottom line is&#8230;.that is my decision each day what kind of teacher I am going to be.  If I fail, I have no one to blame but myself&#8230;..if I succeed, then I remember tomorrow is another day &#8212; with another decision to make on what kind of day it will be in my classroom.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts on your post.<br />
Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Lauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... short, sweet and to the point. I totally agree... nicely said...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; short, sweet and to the point. I totally agree&#8230; nicely said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo Lamb</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2009/05/its-not-the-tests-its-us.html/comment-page-1#comment-10616</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimbo Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tests are not at fault, per se. They are designed to measure whether standards are being met, although I do not like the fact that this is the only way standards are being measured. Not all students do well on standardized tests, while others can do incredibly well without really understanding the content (knowing how to take the tests). I would love to see a combination of standardized tests and a project-based application assessment of content.

If a mistake is made in a standardized test, there is no partial credit. If a mistake is made on a project or a problem, there should be a way to make it better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tests are not at fault, per se. They are designed to measure whether standards are being met, although I do not like the fact that this is the only way standards are being measured. Not all students do well on standardized tests, while others can do incredibly well without really understanding the content (knowing how to take the tests). I would love to see a combination of standardized tests and a project-based application assessment of content.</p>
<p>If a mistake is made in a standardized test, there is no partial credit. If a mistake is made on a project or a problem, there should be a way to make it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

I think this line of argument predates NCLB -- I remember hearing it when I first started teaching, long before NCLB or much in the way of standardized testing.

The problem as you say, lies in ourselves.  We have content responsibilities, yes, but we also have the responsibility to help students think and to become independent thinkers.

And who is to say that learning what is tested can&#039;t be interesting, challenging, or fun in the first place?

Does it have to be taught in a boring fashion because it is &quot;on the test&quot; ?  Does rigor = boring teaching?  I don&#039;t think it has to.

So my question is, since this excuse/reasoning has floated around for a long long time, how do we shift it?

How do we help our individual teachers and entire schools shift it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>I think this line of argument predates NCLB &#8212; I remember hearing it when I first started teaching, long before NCLB or much in the way of standardized testing.</p>
<p>The problem as you say, lies in ourselves.  We have content responsibilities, yes, but we also have the responsibility to help students think and to become independent thinkers.</p>
<p>And who is to say that learning what is tested can&#8217;t be interesting, challenging, or fun in the first place?</p>
<p>Does it have to be taught in a boring fashion because it is &#8220;on the test&#8221; ?  Does rigor = boring teaching?  I don&#8217;t think it has to.</p>
<p>So my question is, since this excuse/reasoning has floated around for a long long time, how do we shift it?</p>
<p>How do we help our individual teachers and entire schools shift it?</p>
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		<title>By: M Chips</title>
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		<dc:creator>M Chips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shift what? To what? What exactly is it that is being complained about? School &#039;is boring&#039;? To whom? Everyone, all the time?

Well, there are a lot of teachers posting here and, since US education is apparently in such a perilous state, I assume the people posting here are at least partly responsible. So, teachers: why are you so boring? Why don&#039;t you &#039;get it&#039;? Why don&#039;t you change everything so that it&#039;s all better? Can&#039;t you be more passionate? What are you waiting for?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shift what? To what? What exactly is it that is being complained about? School &#8216;is boring&#8217;? To whom? Everyone, all the time?</p>
<p>Well, there are a lot of teachers posting here and, since US education is apparently in such a perilous state, I assume the people posting here are at least partly responsible. So, teachers: why are you so boring? Why don&#8217;t you &#8216;get it&#8217;? Why don&#8217;t you change everything so that it&#8217;s all better? Can&#8217;t you be more passionate? What are you waiting for?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, and think this points to the larger issue of the structure of school itself. As kids move through our systems, everything they do becomes more compartmentaized and discontinuous. The seven period day (or something like it) still the dominant structure in HS. Each class is a separate, unrelated experience for most. Testing sometimes becomes the only way we try to find out what kids know and can do.

Many teachers still find engaging &quot;21st century&quot; work for their students to do that addresses standards and provide them with alternative means of assessing their knowledge and skills.

Educational leaders needs to get this too. If our administrators are mired in an archaic model (or, to be kinder, the model they grew up with), thngs aren&#039;t going to change in their schools very quickly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, and think this points to the larger issue of the structure of school itself. As kids move through our systems, everything they do becomes more compartmentaized and discontinuous. The seven period day (or something like it) still the dominant structure in HS. Each class is a separate, unrelated experience for most. Testing sometimes becomes the only way we try to find out what kids know and can do.</p>
<p>Many teachers still find engaging &#8220;21st century&#8221; work for their students to do that addresses standards and provide them with alternative means of assessing their knowledge and skills.</p>
<p>Educational leaders needs to get this too. If our administrators are mired in an archaic model (or, to be kinder, the model they grew up with), thngs aren&#8217;t going to change in their schools very quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t find school boring when I was in it. (Canada based here)  What I see here is a shift in need to meet student needs to need to cover the curriculum to meet the test expectations and directives from on high.  It has made much of my son&#039;s education more sit and listen than mine was.  I do think the problem is in part the standards movement, not necessarily the tests themselves but the overall push towards a business mentality.  We don&#039;t control the inputs in our education &#039;business&#039;, we can&#039;t be expected to have the &#039;outputs&#039; be identical either.  I have to disgaree here Scott.  I think testing is part of the problem.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t find school boring when I was in it. (Canada based here)  What I see here is a shift in need to meet student needs to need to cover the curriculum to meet the test expectations and directives from on high.  It has made much of my son&#8217;s education more sit and listen than mine was.  I do think the problem is in part the standards movement, not necessarily the tests themselves but the overall push towards a business mentality.  We don&#8217;t control the inputs in our education &#8216;business&#8217;, we can&#8217;t be expected to have the &#8216;outputs&#8217; be identical either.  I have to disgaree here Scott.  I think testing is part of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really find this interesting and it truly made me think.

I think it is really important to teach test taking strategies/skills, but not to teach to &quot;the test&quot; or base everything on testing standards.  Students are always going to have tests and if we teach them how to take them, then I think there is less anxiety, etc.

On the other hand teachers/education really does need to change.  I always have a hard time understanding why educators have a hard time with change if they truly like learning.  Isn&#039;t learning about change?

I believe that teachers need more support and time to actually plan innovative lessons.  They are not only trying to educate our future, but often times are being students&#039; parents, mentors, etc.

Maybe if more teachers would create &quot;tribes&quot;, there would be more change.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really find this interesting and it truly made me think.</p>
<p>I think it is really important to teach test taking strategies/skills, but not to teach to &#8220;the test&#8221; or base everything on testing standards.  Students are always going to have tests and if we teach them how to take them, then I think there is less anxiety, etc.</p>
<p>On the other hand teachers/education really does need to change.  I always have a hard time understanding why educators have a hard time with change if they truly like learning.  Isn&#8217;t learning about change?</p>
<p>I believe that teachers need more support and time to actually plan innovative lessons.  They are not only trying to educate our future, but often times are being students&#8217; parents, mentors, etc.</p>
<p>Maybe if more teachers would create &#8220;tribes&#8221;, there would be more change.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. To truly prepare a great lesson, unit, semester, requires a great deal of time and energy. And of course the reflection and editing at the end. I find little yellow stickies on all of my notes saying &quot;Fix this, or change this&quot;, but never get to it, because I have to get ready for the next class in 10 minutes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. To truly prepare a great lesson, unit, semester, requires a great deal of time and energy. And of course the reflection and editing at the end. I find little yellow stickies on all of my notes saying &#8220;Fix this, or change this&#8221;, but never get to it, because I have to get ready for the next class in 10 minutes.</p>
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