Comments on: Video – Time to listen http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html Technology, leadership, and the future of schools Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:00:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: hall monitor http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12150 hall monitor Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12150 Thanks for the video link. I couldn't agree more with the content. In an ironic note, I just came across an article that claims technology has also supported an uprise in cheating during class. We have to find a balance somehow, and soon. Hall Monitor http://detentionslip.org. Thanks for the video link. I couldn’t agree more with the content. In an ironic note, I just came across an article that claims technology has also supported an uprise in cheating during class. We have to find a balance somehow, and soon.

Hall Monitor
http://detentionslip.org.

]]> By: Chris http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12151 Chris Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12151 Scott, I'd encourage you to challenge some of the claims made in this video. Are the claims made backed by research? This comment was much longer, but I decided to cut it out. Scott, you're an academic. Put some critical analysis towards what you post and see if the wider body of literature supports stuff like this. Scott,

I’d encourage you to challenge some of the claims made in this video. Are the claims made backed by research?

This comment was much longer, but I decided to cut it out.

Scott, you’re an academic. Put some critical analysis towards what you post and see if the wider body of literature supports stuff like this.

]]> By: Scott McLeod http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12152 Scott McLeod Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12152 @Chris: I don't feel I have to critically and academically analyze every online video I run across (I'm growing increasingly weary of dueling research; there's a lot of truth to the adage that you can find a study for whatever point you're trying to make). The video notes that it reflects what students in the district are saying. I think the video makes its point well. That's enough for me. If it's not enough for you, that's cool... That said, any concern I have regarding this video is the same that I have with these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGCJ46vyR9o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-ZVCjfWf8 http://snipurl.com/3lnt3 Are the 'student concerns' authentically originating from the students themselves or are they simply adult propaganda placed into the mouths of children? It's hard to know... As always, thanks for the comment. I owe you a follow-up post on your concerns about my gaming post a while back. Still getting my thoughts together on that one... @Chris: I don’t feel I have to critically and academically analyze every online video I run across (I’m growing increasingly weary of dueling research; there’s a lot of truth to the adage that you can find a study for whatever point you’re trying to make). The video notes that it reflects what students in the district are saying. I think the video makes its point well. That’s enough for me. If it’s not enough for you, that’s cool…

That said, any concern I have regarding this video is the same that I have with these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGCJ46vyR9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-ZVCjfWf8
http://snipurl.com/3lnt3

Are the ‘student concerns’ authentically originating from the students themselves or are they simply adult propaganda placed into the mouths of children? It’s hard to know…

As always, thanks for the comment. I owe you a follow-up post on your concerns about my gaming post a while back. Still getting my thoughts together on that one…

]]> By: Marshall http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12153 Marshall Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12153 OK, since Chris went one way, allow me to go another...thanks for NOT including a bunch of high-brow analysis and over-thinking into this video. Thank you for respecting our ability to do this if we want, skip it if we choose, and determine what is important to us. This is exactly what Weinberger discusses in "Everything is Miscellaneous" regarding the way we think. Don't tell us the facts to build our knowledge, let us find the meaning so we can build our understanding. If you disagree, that is your perogative and it only adds to the value of conversation in determinig our combination of knowledge and understanding. OK, since Chris went one way, allow me to go another…thanks for NOT including a bunch of high-brow analysis and over-thinking into this video. Thank you for respecting our ability to do this if we want, skip it if we choose, and determine what is important to us. This is exactly what Weinberger discusses in “Everything is Miscellaneous” regarding the way we think. Don’t tell us the facts to build our knowledge, let us find the meaning so we can build our understanding.

If you disagree, that is your perogative and it only adds to the value of conversation in determinig our combination of knowledge and understanding.

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12154 Dean Shareski Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12154 Reminds me a bit too much of Wesch to get excited. Not sure why we need another version of the same thing? Is there something here that's new that I missed? Reminds me a bit too much of Wesch to get excited. Not sure why we need another version of the same thing? Is there something here that’s new that I missed?

]]> By: Scott McLeod http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12155 Scott McLeod Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12155 @Dean: Interesting question. I like that it's got the kids from the district in it, rather than university students. The collective 'we' may find that Wesch's A Vision of Students Today is enough for us. But I'm guessing (hoping?) this made a pretty big impact in this particular district... Richard, do you want to weigh in? @Dean: Interesting question. I like that it’s got the kids from the district in it, rather than university students. The collective ‘we’ may find that Wesch’s A Vision of Students Today is enough for us. But I’m guessing (hoping?) this made a pretty big impact in this particular district…

Richard, do you want to weigh in?

]]> By: Chris http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12156 Chris Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12156 My apologies Scott. I'll leave you alone. I guess I've just been hoping to brige the gap between academics and "the network". You seeemed to be in a nice position to help do that. I'm sorry that each video doesn't bear academic scrutiny. I guess I understand. One only has so much time. I'll not bother you again with high brow over thinking. I'm of the opinion that there are absolutes; that some things are true and some are not. It's not prerogative to decide which is which. Chris My apologies Scott.

I’ll leave you alone. I guess I’ve just been hoping to brige the gap between academics and “the network”. You seeemed to be in a nice position to help do that.

I’m sorry that each video doesn’t bear academic scrutiny. I guess I understand. One only has so much time.

I’ll not bother you again with high brow over thinking. I’m of the opinion that there are absolutes; that some things are true and some are not. It’s not prerogative to decide which is which.

Chris

]]> By: Scott McLeod http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12157 Scott McLeod Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12157 No need to run away, Chris. I think we've got several issues here. 1. Truth is in the eye of the beholder? What may be true locally may not be true regionally / nationally? What is 'truth' anyway? Perception that becomes reality? Data-supported conclusions? Something else? Big, big questions... 2. The simple fact is that we don't have a lot of data on many of these issues. Part of the problem is lack of interest by academia. Another problem is the sheer speed of change versus the slow pace of study and peer-reviewed publication. For a lot of this stuff, our data collection and analysis are pretty ad hoc and "on the fly" out of sheer necessity... 3. I'm more of a 'life is gray' guy than a 'black and white' absolutes guy, I confess. 4. I VERY MUCH want to help bridge the gap between academics and 'the network.' I'm not sure trying to dig up research to verify claims of a school district's locally-made video is the best way to do that, but I'm up for other thoughts that you have. I've tried to give some thought to some of these types of issues in the past (mostly related to publication): http://snipurl.com/3luks http://snipurl.com/3lukj http://snipurl.com/3lul3 5. You've now made me think really, really hard twice in the past month, Chris. Keep it up. I need folks like you stretching and challenging me! No need to run away, Chris. I think we’ve got several issues here.

1. Truth is in the eye of the beholder? What may be true locally may not be true regionally / nationally? What is ‘truth’ anyway? Perception that becomes reality? Data-supported conclusions? Something else? Big, big questions…

2. The simple fact is that we don’t have a lot of data on many of these issues. Part of the problem is lack of interest by academia. Another problem is the sheer speed of change versus the slow pace of study and peer-reviewed publication. For a lot of this stuff, our data collection and analysis are pretty ad hoc and “on the fly” out of sheer necessity…

3. I’m more of a ‘life is gray’ guy than a ‘black and white’ absolutes guy, I confess.

4. I VERY MUCH want to help bridge the gap between academics and ‘the network.’ I’m not sure trying to dig up research to verify claims of a school district’s locally-made video is the best way to do that, but I’m up for other thoughts that you have. I’ve tried to give some thought to some of these types of issues in the past (mostly related to publication):

http://snipurl.com/3luks
http://snipurl.com/3lukj
http://snipurl.com/3lul3

5. You’ve now made me think really, really hard twice in the past month, Chris. Keep it up. I need folks like you stretching and challenging me!

]]> By: Dean Shareski http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12158 Dean Shareski Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12158 I agree that using your own students/people drives the point home further. Personally I would have liked to see a more deliberate attempt to find originality knowing that posting it means folks are going to recognize the similarity. I agree that using your own students/people drives the point home further. Personally I would have liked to see a more deliberate attempt to find originality knowing that posting it means folks are going to recognize the similarity.

]]> By: Scott McLeod http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/video-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-12159 Scott McLeod Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000 http://annahein.com/2008/08/video-time-to.html#comment-12159 @Dean: Well, in all fairness, he only posted it on his team's blog for the district. I was the one that gave it greater exposure. =) @Dean: Well, in all fairness, he only posted it on his team’s blog for the district. I was the one that gave it greater exposure. =)

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