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	<title>Comments on: Apathy, distrust, and nonparticipation</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/apathy-distrust.html/comment-page-1#comment-12214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also wager that the way the topic gets taught might have something to do with student disinterest and apathy.

Having seen how the use of &quot;Decisions, Decisions&quot; (Tom Snyder software) and several interactive web sites in middle school classrooms leads to student interest, teachers of government, civics and social studies classes would do well to reexamine their methods. As Marx Prensky says, engagement may be as, if not more, important than the content itself.
http://www.practicaltheory.org/serendipity/index.php?/archives/753-Engaged-and-Enraged-Thinking-about-Marc-Prenskys-Ideas.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also wager that the way the topic gets taught might have something to do with student disinterest and apathy.</p>
<p>Having seen how the use of &#8220;Decisions, Decisions&#8221; (Tom Snyder software) and several interactive web sites in middle school classrooms leads to student interest, teachers of government, civics and social studies classes would do well to reexamine their methods. As Marx Prensky says, engagement may be as, if not more, important than the content itself.<br />
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		<title>By: Roger Whaley</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/apathy-distrust.html/comment-page-1#comment-12215</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Whaley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the simulations of government in action are the way to go.  I remember a session of &quot;mock congress&quot; in high school where a few people got to do the actual work.

We need everyone to know the process. The best way to do that would actually be to get as many people involved as possible in every step of the process. (With appropriate coaching and a decent amount of time to really get their hands on it.)  This is a situation that just screams for a sim.

Otherwise Jeff is right.  Students will think this is one more thing for just a few people to do.  So why bother?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the simulations of government in action are the way to go.  I remember a session of &#8220;mock congress&#8221; in high school where a few people got to do the actual work.</p>
<p>We need everyone to know the process. The best way to do that would actually be to get as many people involved as possible in every step of the process. (With appropriate coaching and a decent amount of time to really get their hands on it.)  This is a situation that just screams for a sim.</p>
<p>Otherwise Jeff is right.  Students will think this is one more thing for just a few people to do.  So why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: Zack Allen</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/apathy-distrust.html/comment-page-1#comment-12216</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to link to Senator Culver&#039;s post, but the server was down.  I am curious about what he sees as the solution to the problem.  Mandating a new curriculum or a rewrite of state civics standards?  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

While Senator Culver&#039;s concerns are valid and should alarm all of us.  Previous government solutions to like problems have led to less freedoms and more ineffective schools.

This is not a new concern...

&quot;Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the mind.&quot; - Plato

&quot;To me the worst thing seems to be a school principally to work with methods of fear, force and artificial authority.  Such treatment destroys the sound sentiments, the sincerity and the self-confidence of pupils and produces a subservient subject.&quot; - Albert Einstein

We have a difficult time seeing the big picture.  Special interests create new mandates to fix some problem in their narrow field of vision, without seeing the broader picture or extrapolating the unintended consequences of their mandates.  In the end, these mandates often end up undermining their original intent simply because they are mandates.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to link to Senator Culver&#8217;s post, but the server was down.  I am curious about what he sees as the solution to the problem.  Mandating a new curriculum or a rewrite of state civics standards?  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.</p>
<p>While Senator Culver&#8217;s concerns are valid and should alarm all of us.  Previous government solutions to like problems have led to less freedoms and more ineffective schools.</p>
<p>This is not a new concern&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no hold on the mind.&#8221; &#8211; Plato</p>
<p>&#8220;To me the worst thing seems to be a school principally to work with methods of fear, force and artificial authority.  Such treatment destroys the sound sentiments, the sincerity and the self-confidence of pupils and produces a subservient subject.&#8221; &#8211; Albert Einstein</p>
<p>We have a difficult time seeing the big picture.  Special interests create new mandates to fix some problem in their narrow field of vision, without seeing the broader picture or extrapolating the unintended consequences of their mandates.  In the end, these mandates often end up undermining their original intent simply because they are mandates.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Brooks-Young</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/08/apathy-distrust.html/comment-page-1#comment-12217</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Brooks-Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Just How Stupid are We? A good book that addresses this critical topic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Just How Stupid are We? A good book that addresses this critical topic.</p>
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