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	<title>Comments on: Idealism and Reality in Mathematics Technology</title>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13376</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention that some colleges are giving students lists of graphing calculator skills they are expected to know.  Do you know of any resources that provide an example of one of these lists?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention that some colleges are giving students lists of graphing calculator skills they are expected to know.  Do you know of any resources that provide an example of one of these lists?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria H. Andersen</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13377</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria H. Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment was simply too long to post here.  So it&#039;s become a blog post of it&#039;s own (http://tcmtechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/idealism-and-reality-in-math-tech-wake.html).

To summarize?  Bring it on... whatever problems you&#039;ve got ... we&#039;ve probably already got solutions for.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment was simply too long to post here.  So it&#8217;s become a blog post of it&#8217;s own (<a href="http://tcmtechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/idealism-and-reality-in-math-tech-wake.html" rel="nofollow">http://tcmtechnologyblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/idealism-and-reality-in-math-tech-wake.html</a>).</p>
<p>To summarize?  Bring it on&#8230; whatever problems you&#8217;ve got &#8230; we&#8217;ve probably already got solutions for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Dyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie: I only have an actual physical list from one university. I&#039;ll see if I can get permission to post it. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s not the only one out there but I don&#039;t get much chance to network at the college level.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie: I only have an actual physical list from one university. I&#8217;ll see if I can get permission to post it. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not the only one out there but I don&#8217;t get much chance to network at the college level.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13379</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the dealio with math: okay, great.  You&#039;ve taught a kid to solve for x.  Wonderful.  In a social studies class you&#039;ve taught a kid all the state capitols.  Great.  In science you&#039;ve gotten your students to memorize the periodic table.  Neato.

Okay, now what?

At what point are you going to ask your students to do something with what you taught them?

If the something that you&#039;re asking them to do is take a test.  Well.  Never mind.  Sorry, didn&#039;t mean to waste your time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the dealio with math: okay, great.  You&#8217;ve taught a kid to solve for x.  Wonderful.  In a social studies class you&#8217;ve taught a kid all the state capitols.  Great.  In science you&#8217;ve gotten your students to memorize the periodic table.  Neato.</p>
<p>Okay, now what?</p>
<p>At what point are you going to ask your students to do something with what you taught them?</p>
<p>If the something that you&#8217;re asking them to do is take a test.  Well.  Never mind.  Sorry, didn&#8217;t mean to waste your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13380</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many of the ideas that the author of the post is wrestling with, are indicative of a serious problem with educational technology implementations. The problem is that we are assigning or attributing value to something (technology, blogs, wikis, graphing calculators) which actually have no value at all. Zero, zip, nada, zilch. I am a technology director, and I said it!

Now, before someone writes me off as a nut-job, let me point out what I mean.

None of the technologies spoken about in this post have any value by themselves. A computer does nothing simply by being present, and neither does the use of graphing calculators, Wikis, blogs, or any other technology for that matter. The absence or presence of technology does not, in and of itself, add any value to an educational environment.

It is how that technology is used which may or may not add value. And when we say that everyone needs to use it, we are focusing on the &quot;it&quot; and not the &quot;why&quot; or &quot;to what end&quot;.

It is silly for us to focus on &quot;it&quot; if we know that &quot;it&quot; does not inherently add value.

The argument that the students will use &quot;it&quot; in the real world is also less than a full story. It is kind of like a trump card people throw out to avoid a tough conversation.

Example, &quot;We have to integrate technology because every job in the real world uses it&quot;. I&#039;ve heard it way too many times. Ask employers their top ten list of skills for kids, and they do not want kids who can use Skype, they want kids who can communicate thoughts and ideas.

So, why would we say to math teachers that they must use technology, when the most important skills in math deal with the human ability to problem solve and to look at problems with an analytical approach?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many of the ideas that the author of the post is wrestling with, are indicative of a serious problem with educational technology implementations. The problem is that we are assigning or attributing value to something (technology, blogs, wikis, graphing calculators) which actually have no value at all. Zero, zip, nada, zilch. I am a technology director, and I said it!</p>
<p>Now, before someone writes me off as a nut-job, let me point out what I mean.</p>
<p>None of the technologies spoken about in this post have any value by themselves. A computer does nothing simply by being present, and neither does the use of graphing calculators, Wikis, blogs, or any other technology for that matter. The absence or presence of technology does not, in and of itself, add any value to an educational environment.</p>
<p>It is how that technology is used which may or may not add value. And when we say that everyone needs to use it, we are focusing on the &#8220;it&#8221; and not the &#8220;why&#8221; or &#8220;to what end&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is silly for us to focus on &#8220;it&#8221; if we know that &#8220;it&#8221; does not inherently add value.</p>
<p>The argument that the students will use &#8220;it&#8221; in the real world is also less than a full story. It is kind of like a trump card people throw out to avoid a tough conversation.</p>
<p>Example, &#8220;We have to integrate technology because every job in the real world uses it&#8221;. I&#8217;ve heard it way too many times. Ask employers their top ten list of skills for kids, and they do not want kids who can use Skype, they want kids who can communicate thoughts and ideas.</p>
<p>So, why would we say to math teachers that they must use technology, when the most important skills in math deal with the human ability to problem solve and to look at problems with an analytical approach?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!!! Joel&#039;s comment is right on point! Technology is just another tool. I&#039;m a hobby carpenter, in addition to being an adult educator. There is no quicker way to mutilate a project than to use the wrong tool. It&#039;s the same way with education.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!!! Joel&#8217;s comment is right on point! Technology is just another tool. I&#8217;m a hobby carpenter, in addition to being an adult educator. There is no quicker way to mutilate a project than to use the wrong tool. It&#8217;s the same way with education.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kaminski</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13382</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kaminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the high school where I work, if we have a problem with our computers or digital whiteboards, and we need to contact the “tech” person, she always jokingly responds by saying that it is most likely “user error.” She is correct. The same goes for our students. If they do not know how to use the technology in the first place, then it will definitely not add value to their education.

Last month, at our professional development, a representative from Texas Instruments came to our school to demonstrate how the new TI-Nspire can be used in our classrooms. Essentially, the graphing calculator has become a laptop, and it responds more like a computer, so that students can work with it a little bit easier. While it is a great tool to use in the classroom, every student needs to have the same model, and the teacher must have the hardware that links the calculators together. Also, much time is needed to become acclimated to its new capabilities, and how information can be transferred from teacher to student, and vice versa.

As I was sitting through this presentation, I heard comments from some of my colleagues about the different reasons why it would be a waste of time to learn these new techniques. It made me upset, because they did not even give this new idea a fair chance. This is the main reason why technology is not being embraced as much as it should be. Some teachers are not willing to try something new, because they do not want to have learn something new, along with the students.

Scott Kaminski

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the high school where I work, if we have a problem with our computers or digital whiteboards, and we need to contact the “tech” person, she always jokingly responds by saying that it is most likely “user error.” She is correct. The same goes for our students. If they do not know how to use the technology in the first place, then it will definitely not add value to their education.</p>
<p>Last month, at our professional development, a representative from Texas Instruments came to our school to demonstrate how the new TI-Nspire can be used in our classrooms. Essentially, the graphing calculator has become a laptop, and it responds more like a computer, so that students can work with it a little bit easier. While it is a great tool to use in the classroom, every student needs to have the same model, and the teacher must have the hardware that links the calculators together. Also, much time is needed to become acclimated to its new capabilities, and how information can be transferred from teacher to student, and vice versa.</p>
<p>As I was sitting through this presentation, I heard comments from some of my colleagues about the different reasons why it would be a waste of time to learn these new techniques. It made me upset, because they did not even give this new idea a fair chance. This is the main reason why technology is not being embraced as much as it should be. Some teachers are not willing to try something new, because they do not want to have learn something new, along with the students.</p>
<p>Scott Kaminski</p>
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		<title>By: Gene McCracken</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/02/idealism-and-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-13383</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene McCracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I luv NPR!  Check out the math guy - Keith Devlin - on &quot;What do I need algebra for? - http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&amp;t=4&amp;islist=false?- to be able to use (and create with) spreadsheets!  Five minutes - worth the listen.

TI is Texas Instruments to the math dep&#039;t.  It is technology non-integration is many ways.  A highly specialized tool confined to a single content area.  I luv graphing calculators don&#039;t get me wrong, but I can do most of it on excel and have a skill that is marketable.  (And it is readily available to many/most - no added cost.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I luv NPR!  Check out the math guy &#8211; Keith Devlin &#8211; on &#8220;What do I need algebra for? &#8211; <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&#038;t=4&#038;islist=false?-" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&#038;t=4&#038;islist=false?-</a> to be able to use (and create with) spreadsheets!  Five minutes &#8211; worth the listen.</p>
<p>TI is Texas Instruments to the math dep&#8217;t.  It is technology non-integration is many ways.  A highly specialized tool confined to a single content area.  I luv graphing calculators don&#8217;t get me wrong, but I can do most of it on excel and have a skill that is marketable.  (And it is readily available to many/most &#8211; no added cost.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kaminski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Kaminski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Gene, that graphing calculators are very content-specific. I was just trying to use it as an example to demonstrate why education is not advancing as quickly as technology.

Another example, is that some of the teachers that I work with still keep a handwritten gradebook. There are many different programs now that will store this information, analyze the data, and provide different statistics about the progress (or lack thereof) of certain students.

I am still amazed that even the &quot;old school&quot; teachers can not see the advantages of technology.

Scott Kaminski
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Gene, that graphing calculators are very content-specific. I was just trying to use it as an example to demonstrate why education is not advancing as quickly as technology.</p>
<p>Another example, is that some of the teachers that I work with still keep a handwritten gradebook. There are many different programs now that will store this information, analyze the data, and provide different statistics about the progress (or lack thereof) of certain students.</p>
<p>I am still amazed that even the &#8220;old school&#8221; teachers can not see the advantages of technology.</p>
<p>Scott Kaminski</p>
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