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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14193</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, thanks for sharing this! In regards to #3, isn&#039;t it possible that the audience of Will and David increase because they are the people that introduce others to blogging? I&#039;m not saying that their quality has gone down, but isn&#039;t it possible that another reason for their exposure is that they&#039;re hitting conferences at a higher rate than Average Jose Edublogger?

Thanks again,
Miguel Guhlin
Around the Corner-MGuhlin.net
http://mguhlin.net

P.S. I&#039;ve slipped in the Technorati rankings. I&#039;m not as authoritative as I once was. Sigh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, thanks for sharing this! In regards to #3, isn&#8217;t it possible that the audience of Will and David increase because they are the people that introduce others to blogging? I&#8217;m not saying that their quality has gone down, but isn&#8217;t it possible that another reason for their exposure is that they&#8217;re hitting conferences at a higher rate than Average Jose Edublogger?</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Miguel Guhlin<br />
Around the Corner-MGuhlin.net<br />
<a href="http://mguhlin.net" rel="nofollow">http://mguhlin.net</a></p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve slipped in the Technorati rankings. I&#8217;m not as authoritative as I once was. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: David Robb</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14194</link>
		<dc:creator>David Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Miguel has a good point.  I saw both Will and David at Maryland&#039;s MICCA conference in April.  I never read an edublog before hearing them speak. Now after several months of reading their blogs and other blogs I have my own blog.
Will and David are the ones who opened the door to blogging for me. (And from what I read on several initial posts of first time edubloggers, they opened the door for many others, too.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Miguel has a good point.  I saw both Will and David at Maryland&#8217;s MICCA conference in April.  I never read an edublog before hearing them speak. Now after several months of reading their blogs and other blogs I have my own blog.<br />
Will and David are the ones who opened the door to blogging for me. (And from what I read on several initial posts of first time edubloggers, they opened the door for many others, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14195</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes, absolutely, just like I have a bunch of principals and superintendents reading www.LeaderTalk.org now. But... they&#039;ve got to keep being &quot;sticky&quot; to keep folks from meandering away later!

And, Miguel, I still read you religiously!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, absolutely, just like I have a bunch of principals and superintendents reading <a href="http://www.LeaderTalk.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.LeaderTalk.org</a> now. But&#8230; they&#8217;ve got to keep being &#8220;sticky&#8221; to keep folks from meandering away later!</p>
<p>And, Miguel, I still read you religiously!</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Guhlin</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14196</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Guhlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I couldn&#039;t resist and wrote a bit more about this here:
Peas in a Pod
http://www.mguhlin.net/archives/2007/08/entry_3530.htm

Laughing,
miguel Guhlin
Around the Corner
http://mguhlin.net
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I couldn&#8217;t resist and wrote a bit more about this here:<br />
Peas in a Pod<br />
<a href="http://www.mguhlin.net/archives/2007/08/entry_3530.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mguhlin.net/archives/2007/08/entry_3530.htm</a></p>
<p>Laughing,<br />
miguel Guhlin<br />
Around the Corner<br />
<a href="http://mguhlin.net" rel="nofollow">http://mguhlin.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Rosen</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14197</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree that there needs to be a stickiness factor.

I have only really gotten into -  ok, immersed myself in! - edublogging since about February of this year and it has escalated exponentially in the past month or so with the bit more free time on my agenda that summer brings. I find myself swimming in blogs to read, reply to, and track. There are certain blogs that I keep returning to and others that I forget about.

Staying with the water imagery...the effect that each element has within a complex system is very much like a drop of water in a pool: it ripples out to eventually affect other parts of the system, whether we are conscious of it or not. I think that the extent to which one, in our system, blog affects another depends on how close to a hub each blog is.

For example, I found out about the dy/dan&#039;s 4 slide contest through Scott&#039;s blog, which in turn I had found through someone else&#039;s blog a few months ago. I had never read Dan&#039;s blog before this contest, but because of Dangerously Irrelevant&#039;s stickiness I return to it and found the contest. I honestly don&#039;t remember the blog that brought me here, but without it I may not have found Scott&#039;s blog and in turn may not have found out about Dan&#039;s contest. So, even though I can not remember that original blog that brought me here, it was important and certainly affected this system.

Phew - confusing...no...complex ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree that there needs to be a stickiness factor.</p>
<p>I have only really gotten into &#8211;  ok, immersed myself in! &#8211; edublogging since about February of this year and it has escalated exponentially in the past month or so with the bit more free time on my agenda that summer brings. I find myself swimming in blogs to read, reply to, and track. There are certain blogs that I keep returning to and others that I forget about.</p>
<p>Staying with the water imagery&#8230;the effect that each element has within a complex system is very much like a drop of water in a pool: it ripples out to eventually affect other parts of the system, whether we are conscious of it or not. I think that the extent to which one, in our system, blog affects another depends on how close to a hub each blog is.</p>
<p>For example, I found out about the dy/dan&#8217;s 4 slide contest through Scott&#8217;s blog, which in turn I had found through someone else&#8217;s blog a few months ago. I had never read Dan&#8217;s blog before this contest, but because of Dangerously Irrelevant&#8217;s stickiness I return to it and found the contest. I honestly don&#8217;t remember the blog that brought me here, but without it I may not have found Scott&#8217;s blog and in turn may not have found out about Dan&#8217;s contest. So, even though I can not remember that original blog that brought me here, it was important and certainly affected this system.</p>
<p>Phew &#8211; confusing&#8230;no&#8230;complex <img src='http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/site/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14198</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry-- put my comment in the wrong place. hmmm wonder if I will push my Web site ranking up by having it linked in two comments?

Well written Scott! There are several points you made with which I find myself in agreement, but I can&#039;t ignore the fact that by nature of the tools, ranking theory is flawed.

Alexa, the site popularity and ranking measurement metric, and well known Technorati are both biased for many reasons cited by many experts. Here is one such recap-- http://www.clappingtrees.com/archives/2007/03/perspective4-of-alexa-dmoz-technorati/

Let&#039;s assume for all the reasons you list that ranking is important to study. Technorati, in my opinion, simply provides a lousy basis for accurately ranking blogs.

For example, with Technorati, while it works somewhat as a collaborative ranking system, only site owners who create a link to other sites get a say as to what blogs are popular — site readers (who don’t own a blog) don’t have any way to have their voice heard.

Even if Technorati was a dependable tool that ranked consistently, I would have problems with the survey data in terms of the reliability of the ‘random’ sample. Technorati users are a pretty small percentage of web users, and certainly aren’t representative of the readers of most of the sites and blogs that I read.

Another issue in using Technorati as &quot;the&quot; tool to determine impact is that if you’ve had a blog for any amount of time and have moved URLs for any reason, Technorati seems incapable of re-grouping URLs for a single blog. Additionally, as in my case, Technorati picks my blog up as two different URLs, with significantly different rankings, (35,790 vs 26,639) each having unique links. This is the exact same blog, with the exact same content.

There is a ton of duplication between the two and thusly my blog is pretty much just broken up into two pieces which certainly must make it hard for anyone trying to assess the overall reaction to my writing over the past 2 years. According to Technorati&#039;s FAQ “We are unable transfer or combine links from different URLs at this time.”

Also, when you look at the blogs that link to you in Technorati you will notice that a pretty high percentage of those listed are your own posts. (just a quick look at your blog Scott showed 4 of the 20 posts on the first two pages of blogs linked to you were your own posts.) I don’t know what’s going on here but as the basis of “blog popularity” this data seems pretty suspect to me.

Some even feel there is a There’s a MOVEMENT out there to fool Technorati!
http://dave-lucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/ethical-blogging.html

I think what really shaped my thinking on ranking was my daughter&#039;s experience and as an outcome- rank doesn&#039;t &quot;blur&quot; or correlate to impact for me.

When a 24 year old&#039;s post on spices and cupcakes can push her blog to a higher rank than the substantive posts by Will and David something is wrong with the system. I blogged about it here:
http://21stcenturylearning.typepad.com/blog/2007/02/does_traffic_ma.html

All that said... visibility and exposure is important if what you are saying has the ability to provoke positive reform, as obviously your writing does Scott. Thanks for adding to the thinking on a topic that needs much more study to fully understand the outcomes.

However, a point of clarification--
You said, &quot;Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach advocates focusing on impact, not just ranking. To me, impact and ranking tend to blur since I think about large-scale, comprehensive reform of schools, not just localized change.&quot;

For the record, most of my day-to-day work with CTQ and other clients is spent on policy work that has national impact, so I share and appreciate your large scale comprehensive perspective. You can check out the work I do here- http://www.21stcenturycollaborative.com/projects.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8211; put my comment in the wrong place. hmmm wonder if I will push my Web site ranking up by having it linked in two comments?</p>
<p>Well written Scott! There are several points you made with which I find myself in agreement, but I can&#8217;t ignore the fact that by nature of the tools, ranking theory is flawed.</p>
<p>Alexa, the site popularity and ranking measurement metric, and well known Technorati are both biased for many reasons cited by many experts. Here is one such recap&#8211; <a href="http://www.clappingtrees.com/archives/2007/03/perspective4-of-alexa-dmoz-technorati/" rel="nofollow">http://www.clappingtrees.com/archives/2007/03/perspective4-of-alexa-dmoz-technorati/</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume for all the reasons you list that ranking is important to study. Technorati, in my opinion, simply provides a lousy basis for accurately ranking blogs.</p>
<p>For example, with Technorati, while it works somewhat as a collaborative ranking system, only site owners who create a link to other sites get a say as to what blogs are popular — site readers (who don’t own a blog) don’t have any way to have their voice heard.</p>
<p>Even if Technorati was a dependable tool that ranked consistently, I would have problems with the survey data in terms of the reliability of the ‘random’ sample. Technorati users are a pretty small percentage of web users, and certainly aren’t representative of the readers of most of the sites and blogs that I read.</p>
<p>Another issue in using Technorati as &#8220;the&#8221; tool to determine impact is that if you’ve had a blog for any amount of time and have moved URLs for any reason, Technorati seems incapable of re-grouping URLs for a single blog. Additionally, as in my case, Technorati picks my blog up as two different URLs, with significantly different rankings, (35,790 vs 26,639) each having unique links. This is the exact same blog, with the exact same content.</p>
<p>There is a ton of duplication between the two and thusly my blog is pretty much just broken up into two pieces which certainly must make it hard for anyone trying to assess the overall reaction to my writing over the past 2 years. According to Technorati&#8217;s FAQ “We are unable transfer or combine links from different URLs at this time.”</p>
<p>Also, when you look at the blogs that link to you in Technorati you will notice that a pretty high percentage of those listed are your own posts. (just a quick look at your blog Scott showed 4 of the 20 posts on the first two pages of blogs linked to you were your own posts.) I don’t know what’s going on here but as the basis of “blog popularity” this data seems pretty suspect to me.</p>
<p>Some even feel there is a There’s a MOVEMENT out there to fool Technorati!<br />
<a href="http://dave-lucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/ethical-blogging.html" rel="nofollow">http://dave-lucas.blogspot.com/2007/07/ethical-blogging.html</a></p>
<p>I think what really shaped my thinking on ranking was my daughter&#8217;s experience and as an outcome- rank doesn&#8217;t &#8220;blur&#8221; or correlate to impact for me.</p>
<p>When a 24 year old&#8217;s post on spices and cupcakes can push her blog to a higher rank than the substantive posts by Will and David something is wrong with the system. I blogged about it here:<br />
<a href="http://21stcenturylearning.typepad.com/blog/2007/02/does_traffic_ma.html" rel="nofollow">http://21stcenturylearning.typepad.com/blog/2007/02/does_traffic_ma.html</a></p>
<p>All that said&#8230; visibility and exposure is important if what you are saying has the ability to provoke positive reform, as obviously your writing does Scott. Thanks for adding to the thinking on a topic that needs much more study to fully understand the outcomes.</p>
<p>However, a point of clarification&#8211;<br />
You said, &#8220;Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach advocates focusing on impact, not just ranking. To me, impact and ranking tend to blur since I think about large-scale, comprehensive reform of schools, not just localized change.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the record, most of my day-to-day work with CTQ and other clients is spent on policy work that has national impact, so I share and appreciate your large scale comprehensive perspective. You can check out the work I do here- <a href="http://www.21stcenturycollaborative.com/projects.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.21stcenturycollaborative.com/projects.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Jan</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14199</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smooch,

Dr. Jan
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<p>Dr. Jan</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/08/linked.html/comment-page-1#comment-14200</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheryl, thanks for the thoughtful reply. If you have suggestions for tools that I can use that are better than Technorati, I&#039;m all ears. Otherwise, as I noted, I&#039;ll go with it because it&#039;s the best I can find, even with all of the flaws and limitations that you and Terry cite.

On another note, I know you&#039;re working toward systemic change too (we all thank you!). I didn&#039;t mean to imply that you weren&#039;t. Sorry if my post read that way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheryl, thanks for the thoughtful reply. If you have suggestions for tools that I can use that are better than Technorati, I&#8217;m all ears. Otherwise, as I noted, I&#8217;ll go with it because it&#8217;s the best I can find, even with all of the flaws and limitations that you and Terry cite.</p>
<p>On another note, I know you&#8217;re working toward systemic change too (we all thank you!). I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that you weren&#8217;t. Sorry if my post read that way.</p>
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