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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-95680</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, I do.  But parents and administrators come to their own conclusions anyway.  Currently they are often based on uninformed casual opinions.  I would rather they be based on SOMETHING tangible.  Also, nothing is perfect, I wouldn&#039;t suggest anything would be.  However, having transparent and observable materials to demonstrate to an &quot;impartial&quot; third party is light-years ahead of our current situation.
   I can&#039;t see how cameras in classrooms would make anything worse. Some things may get worse but the whole would improve dramatically.  I must add, that there would certainly be a dip at first as bad teachers and bad practices are seen in the public eye, and students are FINALLY FINALLY held accountable for THEIR side of things.  Regarding students, &quot;well, why didn&#039;t you....&quot; or &quot;You should have ....&quot; and other out of context comments would have a frame of reference. 

I am asking, NOT for a leg up, charity, or even the upper hand.  I am simply asking for a deck of cards that isn&#039;t marked and a game with rules that apply to everyone.  The only way I can see this happening must be easily installed and affordable.  Transparency is the key.  Nothing extra nothing lost...we simply CANNOT solve a problem until we can define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, I do.  But parents and administrators come to their own conclusions anyway.  Currently they are often based on uninformed casual opinions.  I would rather they be based on SOMETHING tangible.  Also, nothing is perfect, I wouldn&#8217;t suggest anything would be.  However, having transparent and observable materials to demonstrate to an &#8220;impartial&#8221; third party is light-years ahead of our current situation.<br />
   I can&#8217;t see how cameras in classrooms would make anything worse. Some things may get worse but the whole would improve dramatically.  I must add, that there would certainly be a dip at first as bad teachers and bad practices are seen in the public eye, and students are FINALLY FINALLY held accountable for THEIR side of things.  Regarding students, &#8220;well, why didn&#8217;t you&#8230;.&#8221; or &#8220;You should have &#8230;.&#8221; and other out of context comments would have a frame of reference. </p>
<p>I am asking, NOT for a leg up, charity, or even the upper hand.  I am simply asking for a deck of cards that isn&#8217;t marked and a game with rules that apply to everyone.  The only way I can see this happening must be easily installed and affordable.  Transparency is the key.  Nothing extra nothing lost&#8230;we simply CANNOT solve a problem until we can define it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-93870</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately , It doesn&#039;t always happen that way. My wife doesn&#039;t mind the cameras because she loves teaching and she invites anyone who wants to sit in her class and at any time. It is the perception of what others see in a video that may not always be the case because there is no audio. Parents and or administrators will come to there own conclusions whether right or wrong and the teachers seem to get the bad end of it no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately , It doesn&#8217;t always happen that way. My wife doesn&#8217;t mind the cameras because she loves teaching and she invites anyone who wants to sit in her class and at any time. It is the perception of what others see in a video that may not always be the case because there is no audio. Parents and or administrators will come to there own conclusions whether right or wrong and the teachers seem to get the bad end of it no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-93858</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the deal.
1. We are all on camera throughout the day.  ATMs, traffic lights, stores, etc.
2. Yes cameras could be used against teachers.  Consider however, that cameras would also require teachers to limit themselves only to the scope of their jobs!  A teacher can&#039;t step out for two minutes, if there is a problem in the hall, then there is proof that schools need more personnel.  Teachers would simply stick to their jobs and all of the problems would flush themselves out into the open.  


People would initially blame teacher for not doing xyz, but then they would be forced to admit that teachers hold the failing components of the educational machine together.  Let bad teachers be caught and fired, bad students be held accountable, and poor practices be shown in the light.  What are we afraid of?  The truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the deal.<br />
1. We are all on camera throughout the day.  ATMs, traffic lights, stores, etc.<br />
2. Yes cameras could be used against teachers.  Consider however, that cameras would also require teachers to limit themselves only to the scope of their jobs!  A teacher can&#8217;t step out for two minutes, if there is a problem in the hall, then there is proof that schools need more personnel.  Teachers would simply stick to their jobs and all of the problems would flush themselves out into the open.  </p>
<p>People would initially blame teacher for not doing xyz, but then they would be forced to admit that teachers hold the failing components of the educational machine together.  Let bad teachers be caught and fired, bad students be held accountable, and poor practices be shown in the light.  What are we afraid of?  The truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-93850</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 19:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife teaches 3rd grade and at her school they have recently installed cameras in the classrooms. Her concern is that the cameras will be used against teachers by the superintendant of the school district as this has recently happened when a medical situation occured with a student that was out of the teachers control. The teacher left the room for 2 minutes to see if she could get help and was threatened with disciplinary action by the superintendant for being out of the class room for 2 minutes.This is a dedicated teacher and my thinking is for the well being of the child which didn&#039;t seem to be the superintendants concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife teaches 3rd grade and at her school they have recently installed cameras in the classrooms. Her concern is that the cameras will be used against teachers by the superintendant of the school district as this has recently happened when a medical situation occured with a student that was out of the teachers control. The teacher left the room for 2 minutes to see if she could get help and was threatened with disciplinary action by the superintendant for being out of the class room for 2 minutes.This is a dedicated teacher and my thinking is for the well being of the child which didn&#8217;t seem to be the superintendants concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-52463</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Yes parents would view common behaviors as dereliction of duty, yes an argument with a student may play out on camera.  However there are many new changes to consider.

Teachers can now teach to our contract without fear of reprisal!  
  -  An unruly student fails to respond to procedures set by parents and the school results in a video where the teacher does all that is asked and the often ridiculous mandates are shown to be flawed instead.
  -  A teacher seen grading papers during the film may now inquire as to whether immediate feedback is useful to students and parents...or better....ask the parent/admin to point to the schedule and identify WHEN grading should be done.  

Teachers would finally be able to show the world the VAST amounts of work we invest each day both in school for pay and at home for free!  Teacher accountability would become parent, student, and district accountability!  A student with poor grades can be correlated with poor behavior (not always true).  Statistics would now include behaviors, attendance, AND grades.  

Bottom line, teachers would have to stop working so hard for a time.  Let the world see what we do and point to our contracted hours to show us where to squeeze in the work asked of us.  I know that I havn&#039;t taken a full lunch in years and the bathroom is often but a dream.  I BEG to have my class on camera.  I will do everything to the letter, no more.  I will also have PROOF for MYSELF that the system is ALSO accountable thereby preventing termination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Yes parents would view common behaviors as dereliction of duty, yes an argument with a student may play out on camera.  However there are many new changes to consider.</p>
<p>Teachers can now teach to our contract without fear of reprisal!<br />
  &#8211;  An unruly student fails to respond to procedures set by parents and the school results in a video where the teacher does all that is asked and the often ridiculous mandates are shown to be flawed instead.<br />
  &#8211;  A teacher seen grading papers during the film may now inquire as to whether immediate feedback is useful to students and parents&#8230;or better&#8230;.ask the parent/admin to point to the schedule and identify WHEN grading should be done.  </p>
<p>Teachers would finally be able to show the world the VAST amounts of work we invest each day both in school for pay and at home for free!  Teacher accountability would become parent, student, and district accountability!  A student with poor grades can be correlated with poor behavior (not always true).  Statistics would now include behaviors, attendance, AND grades.  </p>
<p>Bottom line, teachers would have to stop working so hard for a time.  Let the world see what we do and point to our contracted hours to show us where to squeeze in the work asked of us.  I know that I havn&#8217;t taken a full lunch in years and the bathroom is often but a dream.  I BEG to have my class on camera.  I will do everything to the letter, no more.  I will also have PROOF for MYSELF that the system is ALSO accountable thereby preventing termination.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-38370</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. How would most teachers feel about parents being able to watch and hear, via a secure password-protected webcam connection, what was occurring in class on a regular basis?

I don&#039;t think that we would care very much. In fact it may help during parent/teachers conferences if there were vid clips to reference. I can understand the idea that this is invasion of privacy and that natural behavior may be altered because the cameras are present. This being the case I would agree to cameras until a specific age, maybe 10th grade. 

   2. Would teachers’ classroom instruction / pedagogy be better, worse, or the same if parents could watch and hear what was occurring in class on a regular basis?

This is a very good question. I feel that teachers often feel attacked when explaining occurrences in the classroom to parents of problematic students. Parents often excuse behavior as something that the teacher may be doing wrong that needs to be changed. If there are cameras in the class students behavior would not be so easily dismissed as a communication problem. At the same time, this might enable the more controlling parents to try to micro-manage what happens in the classroom. There needs to be clear guidelines as to how and why the class in managed the way it is, in order to allow methods to be put in context.

   3. Would classroom management / discipline be better, worse, or the same if parents could watch and hear what was occurring in class on a regular basis?

I do think that behavior would be better. I am not sure that this wouldn&#039;t defeat the purpose for some. I think that most parents would want cameras in classrooms to see what there child is doing when they are not around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. How would most teachers feel about parents being able to watch and hear, via a secure password-protected webcam connection, what was occurring in class on a regular basis?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that we would care very much. In fact it may help during parent/teachers conferences if there were vid clips to reference. I can understand the idea that this is invasion of privacy and that natural behavior may be altered because the cameras are present. This being the case I would agree to cameras until a specific age, maybe 10th grade. </p>
<p>   2. Would teachers’ classroom instruction / pedagogy be better, worse, or the same if parents could watch and hear what was occurring in class on a regular basis?</p>
<p>This is a very good question. I feel that teachers often feel attacked when explaining occurrences in the classroom to parents of problematic students. Parents often excuse behavior as something that the teacher may be doing wrong that needs to be changed. If there are cameras in the class students behavior would not be so easily dismissed as a communication problem. At the same time, this might enable the more controlling parents to try to micro-manage what happens in the classroom. There needs to be clear guidelines as to how and why the class in managed the way it is, in order to allow methods to be put in context.</p>
<p>   3. Would classroom management / discipline be better, worse, or the same if parents could watch and hear what was occurring in class on a regular basis?</p>
<p>I do think that behavior would be better. I am not sure that this wouldn&#8217;t defeat the purpose for some. I think that most parents would want cameras in classrooms to see what there child is doing when they are not around.</p>
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		<title>By: EMoorer</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-38222</link>
		<dc:creator>EMoorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 22:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question A:  As a parent, such technology sounds ideal for accessible monitor of my student in their classroom environment.  But as an teacher, I frown up the ability to watch and hear classroom activities on a regular basis via classroom cameras.  Intrusive and untrusting, classroom cameras undermines teachers trusted ability to teach.  If used for regular monitoring purposes, for both students and teachers, classroom cameras could ideally replace parent/teacher conferences and classroom evaluations physically conducted by school administrators.  As well, it must be realize that a teacher’s classroom is their “work space”, the same as one who works in such environments as “corporate America” (i.e. offices and cubical).  Would one who works in non-classroom environments feel comfortable working in a micro-managed setting?
 
Question B:  If I was proponent of classroom camera monitoring I would believe teachers’ classroom instruction/pedagogy would become better because teachers/classroom are constantly subjected to observations from both parents and school administrators.

Quesrion C:  As a classroom management/discipline tool, classroom camera monitor could promote positive student/classroom behavior and discipline.  For teachers, the tool offers parents and administrative a visual of reported negative and disruptive behavior displayed by students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question A:  As a parent, such technology sounds ideal for accessible monitor of my student in their classroom environment.  But as an teacher, I frown up the ability to watch and hear classroom activities on a regular basis via classroom cameras.  Intrusive and untrusting, classroom cameras undermines teachers trusted ability to teach.  If used for regular monitoring purposes, for both students and teachers, classroom cameras could ideally replace parent/teacher conferences and classroom evaluations physically conducted by school administrators.  As well, it must be realize that a teacher’s classroom is their “work space”, the same as one who works in such environments as “corporate America” (i.e. offices and cubical).  Would one who works in non-classroom environments feel comfortable working in a micro-managed setting?</p>
<p>Question B:  If I was proponent of classroom camera monitoring I would believe teachers’ classroom instruction/pedagogy would become better because teachers/classroom are constantly subjected to observations from both parents and school administrators.</p>
<p>Quesrion C:  As a classroom management/discipline tool, classroom camera monitor could promote positive student/classroom behavior and discipline.  For teachers, the tool offers parents and administrative a visual of reported negative and disruptive behavior displayed by students.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-37129</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Chamberlain has been doing this for a few years already. http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Chamberlain has been doing this for a few years already. <a href="http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mrcsclassblog.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: thegreenwagon</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-20056</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreenwagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 15:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Education Association website &quot;Legal Issues Concerning Academic Freedom&quot; tells us how they and probably most teachers feel about classroom cameras. In the section &quot; Academic Freedom Model Contract Language&quot; it says; ...&quot;No mechanical or electronic device shall be installed in any classroom or brought in on a temporary basis which would allow a person to be able to listen or record the procedures in any class.             Why do the NEA and teachers fear classroom cameras so much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Education Association website &#8220;Legal Issues Concerning Academic Freedom&#8221; tells us how they and probably most teachers feel about classroom cameras. In the section &#8221; Academic Freedom Model Contract Language&#8221; it says; &#8230;&#8221;No mechanical or electronic device shall be installed in any classroom or brought in on a temporary basis which would allow a person to be able to listen or record the procedures in any class.             Why do the NEA and teachers fear classroom cameras so much?</p>
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		<title>By: thegreenwagon</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2007/02/classroom_camer.html/comment-page-1#comment-20000</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreenwagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The majority of parents would approve however teachers are hostile to this concept. Classroom cameras show evidence of indoctrinization and ineptitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The majority of parents would approve however teachers are hostile to this concept. Classroom cameras show evidence of indoctrinization and ineptitude.</p>
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